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Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Outdoor Adventure Series on the Success InSight Podcast.
The Outdoor Adventure Series celebrates individuals & families, businesses, and organizations that seek out and promote the exploration of the great outdoors. 
Our guest today is Amy Grisak.

Amy is a freelance writer and photographer specializing in everything from gardening to outdoor recreation and natural history issues, particularly in her beautiful home state of Montana.
She is the author of two books:
To learn more about Amy and her work, please visit her website at
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Success insight shares the stories of the people with passion and drive, who make things happen in the world. Here’s your host, Howard fox

Howard Fox: Hello everybody. And welcome back to another episode of the outdoor adventure series on the success insight podcast, the outdoor adventure series celebrates individuals and families.

Businesses and organizations that seek out and promote the exploration of the great outdoors. Our guest today is Amy grease act. Amy is a freelance writer and photographer specializing in everything from gardening to outdoor recreation and natural history issues, particularly. In her beautiful home state of Montana.

She is the author of a number of books. And we’ll talk to you more about that, but without further delay, Amy, welcome to the outdoor adventure series on a success inside pocket.

Amy Grisak: Thank you so much, Howard, and I’m delighted to be here today.

Howard Fox:Fantastic. And I have to admit you’re in Montana. I always had this fantasy of sleeping out underneath the stars and it was always the state of Montana that was on my mind.

Definitely want to talk to you about the dark skies, cause I know you have them out there, but really it’s just a pleasure to have you on the outdoor adventure series. And before we kind of get in to the meat of the work that you’re doing as a, as a writer, a photographer and specializing in the great outdoors, can you share a little bit with our audience, a little bit of your background, how you got to this place?

Amy Grisak: Oh, it’s been quite the journey. It’s, it’s funny how life takes you on these twists and turns that you would never, ever be able to plan out in your wildest dreams. You know, I grew up in Northeastern, Ohio, and it just never fit. You know, I was never a very good Ohio girl, always gravitating towards the woods and the crack and, you know, always muddy, always, always outdoors.

And at my earliest chance, I moved to Montana. I was hired over the phone at the Isaac Walton Inn in Essex, Montana, which is on the Southern boundary of glacier national park and didn’t know anybody, but I figured I had a job in a place to live. So I packed up everything and moved out. Was

Howard Fox: this after high school?

After college? I mean, did you say goodbye to the family? I have that journey begins.

Amy Grisak: It was a couple of years after high school or about a year and a half actually. And I had started at Ohio state university and my intent was wildlife biology. And I absolutely hated it. Sorry. Sorry guys fell back guys, but I needed to get out and around fewer people.

And so I kept looking. I figured if I wanted to work with wolves and some of these apex predators that I needed to be in Montana, I needed to be where they are. And so that’s why I had my sights set on my team. But what was funny is even though I was planning on going to the university out here when I would get the newspaper.

So this was back when we had newspapers and that’s how you found apartments. I would get the newspaper about a week late and of course everything has gone. So when I saw that advertisement for the Isaac Walton, I figured, okay, there’s my foot in the door. And I jumped on it and jumped out. But then when I got out here, instead of going to the university, then I managed to.

I met a gentleman who was a camera man for Nora or for national geographic. Well, actually at that time he was working for Partridge films and WMDT on a program on glacier and he needed help packing gear. And so I started packing gear and then worked with in the film business for telling me.

Howard Fox: Wow. Now as a, uh, urban guy, uh, I guess technically I’m still urban here in Vegas.

So I get out to the deserts. What does it mean packing

Amy Grisak: gear, basically back then, it was all 16 millimeter. And so it was the camera and lenses and film cans. And. Eventually I did the sound recording. So it was big bulky equipment versus what we have now. So it was basically being a pack mail, Sherpa, exactly.

Strong back to carry the

Howard Fox: gear. You know, I, I noticed from the show notes that you provided you were in weightlifting as a deadlift, or was that before or after being the PacBio. That was

Amy Grisak: before and during. It was when I was on in Ohio, I won quite a bit. And then when I moved to Montana, I continued training and competing.

So it was a good thing to

Howard Fox: do. That’s good. I mean, that, that probably goes very well on the resume, especially when you’re applying for a job to pack gear, you know, for these photographers, as you started to get acclimated in Montana, how long were you at the Isaac Walton then before you kind of shifted the game?

Amy Grisak: Just six months, just six months. And then I started working in those film programs as natural history programs. And then it was. From one program to the next, where you would wrap up a contract and then you would work on obtaining another contract and just go from one program to the next. So

Howard Fox: it sounds like then you were living from, you know, one 10th to the next, in a different location.

I mean, you’re just like constantly running around in the dirt and then the mountains and the streets.

Amy Grisak: Wait a bit. We, I did have, my house was outside of west glacier in a little town called forum, and I did build gardens. I built actually could, because in between contracts sometimes takes a lot of time and that’s, what’s difficult.

Sometimes is dealing with entities. That aren’t in touch with how the natural world works is, you know, you’re trying to get something done in a certain amount of time and they don’t realize that, you know, babies are born at this period of time and this, so, so it was in between. So I built a lot of gardens at my place, actually built 220 raised beds out of stone because we didn’t have top soil.

Where my gardens were, it was just glacial till. So I pulled the rocks up, built up and then hauled him 14 dump truck, loads of top soil in between filming. So when I was playing in the dirt and it was out in the field traveling, and it was all north America, which was great. I mean, there are so many beautiful areas in north America.

You could spend 10 lifetimes and never see them all.

Howard Fox: It’s definitely the case. I mean, it’s, you know, living in Mojave, there’s, there’s a website I belonged to and there’s always, Hey, you should visit this site, this site. And I have no idea where they are even how to get there. And it’s like, you really realize out west how big this country is.

And as you were. Beginning to, you know, you kind of had, I don’t know, one of them was the side hustle. Maybe they were just two equal jobs. You had the gardening, you had the video, the photography, when did, or did one of these start to kind of play a bigger role in your life and, you know, cause you’re kind of living the ideal.

Montana fresh air outdoors, but which one kind of started to take precedent for you? You’re

Amy Grisak: right. Both of them were kind of equal for a while just with time spent, but then the filming shifted and actually it was interesting. It was about 10 years time for both that I ended up, I moved into town and then got out of the filming a bit, the television aspect, just because of the nature of it.

The industry was changing. They had switched from the 16 millimeter to video the pay scales became different. So it was a big upheaval at a certain, at a certain point in time. And so, you know, once again with pretty much my whole pattern throughout those 30 plus years out here, As an adult is I had to shift gears again.

And so I started to shift from the television aspect to writing. And so that was about 10 years in. So I went, went more towards the printer. Way to communicate and just still photography versus the moving one.

Howard Fox: When you start the writing, had you always been a writer, you know, having working in high school than journalism, you know, the, was it the school newspaper, how did that begin to take shape for you?

Cause you don’t. I mean, some people are perhaps have a natural ability to write others, you know, it takes practice and honing that, that skill. How did that come about?

Amy Grisak: Well, I, they actually started very early. I. In second grade, when I was writing my first little books, I would write books on how to train your horse or how to train your dog.

And then I would sell them to my classmates for like a nickel. I mean, it wasn’t a big enterprise, but I was writing these books and selling them. But I went to a Catholic school and the nuns found out and they busted me and they made me give the money back. Yeah,

it was even early on. It was always, this written word was my way to communicate ideas and, and help teach people on how to do things. And so it started out very, very early. When I was in high school, I took a journalism class and I got a D it was terrible because in one of the reasons was we traveled a lot with my parents.

And so a lot of times I couldn’t do the assignments like sport covering a sporting event or things like that. I just, I was gone and, yeah, so I failed miserably in high school journalism, but I just have always loved writing. And actually what started. In the mat with the magazines are where my gardens, you know, I had these beautiful gardens and, you know, gorgeous mountain backdrop.

I mean, they, they were stunning. I was very proud of them. And so I started to send editors, photos, and a write-up of the gardens, hoping that the magazines were doing. Yeah. And after a while, uh, editors from sunset magazine are fine. Gardening were saying, well, why don’t you write the article? And we will pay you for that.

I thought that was fabulous.

Howard Fox: I find interesting. I mean, it’s to go back to you’re in second grade, first of all, with the nones, it’s not like you are selling loose joints. I mean, you were selling a book. Oh, my God. And I love about it. It was, you know, things happen, you know, sometimes we complain a little bit how we want our trajectory to be, but it sounds like things just happen, you know, call it Providence.

I mean, they just, you know, timing is everything. And so you had this, these running experiences, you co you build it. Gorgeous gardens. And by the way, you know, we had for our listeners, I asked Amy before we started, you know, would you please share, you know, half a dozen pictures of the outdoors so we could share on the, our show notes.

So I do want to amend that a little bit, Amy, if you’ve got a nice shot of one of your gardens, we’d love to have that as well. I’m a very opportunistic podcast host. I love to have those people. When you started with the garden and you’re writing your own work now, did you get very comfortable with that?

I mean, what was the reader’s reaction to these gardens? You were building? Cause like you said, you’re pulling up rocks and making these great raised bed gardens. It’s not like just, you know, digging a hole where there’s some tops.

Amy Grisak: Well people loved it. And at that time I also had a small shop that was open a retail shop that people came to when I wasn’t traveling and would always have a big garden celebration in the summer where by the end, there were hundreds of people that would visit.

So it was neat that after a couple of years of writing people would bring the magazines with the articles that I wrote and want me to sign them and want to see those gardens. So, yeah, that, that really made me happy. And it, it also made me realize too though, because so many people came in and they said, oh, I wish I could do this.

Or I, you know, they wanted something different in their lives, but they weren’t willing to make any changes to achieve that. And, you know, and I was young at the time I was in my late twenties and that just really stuck with me that you just, you can’t get to that point where you want to make a change, but.

Howard Fox: You know, there’s a meme that I cartoon that I see every once in a while on Facebook. And, you know, there’s a bunch of group of people there. They’re standing below kind of like a podium and everybody’s in the speaker sign. Everybody wants change. Raise your hand. And who wants to do work for it? Everybody keeps their hands down because you see that a lot in, you know, in the coaching world that I live in is people want a new career.

They, they ha they have a dead end job. What, what do you want to do about it? And it’s unfathomable that they actually have to do some work. Began to have these conversations. It sounds like you went also shifted a little bit on your career with educating folks, how to do the work, how to get the gardener that they dreamed about.

Did that happen?

Amy Grisak: That’s absolutely right. If I saw that need out there, that people wanted to know. The how to do these basic things. You know, I, I started gardening when I was 10, so it was very, very early. And so it becomes second nature. You take a lot of things for granted, but then I realized that not everybody takes us for granted and people want that knowledge.

And so early on many of my articles. We’re geared towards the gardening aspect because that’s what people needed and really enjoyed those. And, and, and even to this day, I love answering gardening questions. You know, friends ask me all the time and send me photos. And the great thing is, is no matter how long I’ve been doing this, which has been decades, is you always learn something new.

So somebody asked me a question and by golly, if I don’t know the answer, I’m going to find out because I’m going to learn too. And that’s the one of my greatest joys.

Howard Fox: When you are asked these questions, is there kind of a, a question or two that really stand out for you either because of perhaps the sophistication of it, or because the question itself led you on perhaps an exploration for an answer and a discovery for yourself.

Amy Grisak: I’m trying to think of a specific, but along those lines, I guess the one example. That always comes to me is a friend of mine, her name’s Laura, Beth, and anytime Laura, Beth asked me a question about insects. It’s something completely off the wall that I’ve never heard about before. So, so in that respect, it’s like, I don’t know why these things gravitate towards.

But I’ve discovered more things that can go wrong with a garden because my friend, Laura,

Howard Fox: thank you, Laura, Beth, you’ve done a great service now, now, as you are working on these articles though, are you still. They’re very involved with the, with the gardening or have you started to make a more definitive shift towards the freelance writing and the photography?

Amy Grisak: I have pulled back on the gardening a bit when we first moved to great falls, which has been about 14 years ago. And that was when my first son was born. So I was kind of, you know, staying closer to home. But when we moved to great falls, we were renting a place where we didn’t have a garden. So I ended up connecting with the master gardeners and our extension agent and created the community gardens here in great falls.

So for several years, I was very totally hands-on full tilt with the gardens here in town, but since the boys are older, so John, my youngest is 12 and Samuel is 14 and they can hike pretty much anywhere. That were, I definitely shifted to more of the outdoors. I still do a lot of gardening, uh, glad of gardening articles and still have my gardens here because there’s nothing like fresh vegetables right outside your kitchen door.

But boy, we love the summer and we love to be able to get out as much as possible.

Howard Fox: Let’s kind of shift over to that. You know, I love the fact that you’re, you know, you’ve got your two sons that you’ve introduced them to the outdoor lifestyle. And I imagine that you’re probably taking them on, on hikes, you know, when they’re just barely.

You know, I was going to say out of the womb, but you know, there’s okay. I said it, I’m sorry. Um, but you probably took them on some hikes very early in life, I would imagine.

Amy Grisak: Oh yes. Yeah. That had the front carrier to start. And then the backpack, which is a lifesaver, one of the best pieces of equipment ever.

But, yeah, so we started them early and it’s difficult. It’s difficult when the kids are young, it takes a lot of patients and it’s a lot more fun as they get older, especially when we bring friends. Because then it’s just a blast and you get a group of kids together and they see things that adults never see, just because they look at the world differently.

They’re paying attention to different things. And by golly, you need to find a frog. You bring a group, you’re going to find it.

Howard Fox: No doubt. Now when you go out today, is, are you going out because you have an assignment or you’re working on a project for what? You’re the producer, the photographer, how are these excursions

Amy Grisak: happening today?

Everything I do always has work at its foundation and what’s fascinating. And what’s wonderful about what I do. Yeah. At any photo that I take on any day can be used either for a book project that I might be working on or for a future article. There’s so many times where I’ve had to go back through my files and grabbing photos that, you know, even when the boys were little, that I never had this specific article in mind at the time.

But it works just perfectly. And so I’m always taking pictures of landscapes and animals and plants and, and always trying to keep that in mind. And, and that’s one thing that I absolutely adore about freelance writing is because every time we go out, I have a new idea for an article, something that I want to share with those people who can’t be with us that day.

It’s just, I just absolutely.

Howard Fox: Now are your excursions, are they mostly within the state of Montana or are you venturing out to sites a little bit farther, a little bit more of a truck

Amy Grisak: we’re still sticking closer to home in Montana, which you know, of course, to get from one end to the state, to the other, you’re looking at 10 hours.

So. We have a pretty big backyard to play in, and which is terrific. I mean, we’ve spent just a tremendous amount of time in glacier national park. Absolutely. That’s that’s my favorite park overall and then have gone to Yellowstone a lot. And then, but we have the Bob Marshall wilderness, which is 1.5 million acres, basically outside our backyard and the prayer use.

We have, you know, I think Montana has approximately 30 million. Acres of public land. And so we really have a lot to be able to explore. And that’s, that’s what we’ve been doing. We, this year, we haven’t gone to glacier quite as much just because of the busy-ness factor in the park, as well as they’ve implemented a ticketing system for going to the sun.

And so we’ve just held off a bit and you know, in September, once that’s no longer in place, then we’re going to, we’re going to go more. And plus this year we were really having issues with fires and the smoke has been challenged.

Howard Fox: Yeah, definitely that we, we, I was going to go out to Mojave this past weekend and take Milkyway shots and we couldn’t even do it because of the smoke from the fires.

So I can only imagine I’m curious, uh, glacier it’s a well-known national park, Yellowstone, a well-known national park. Are they. And of course they have to be on, you know, if you’re an outdoor enthusiast, it’s definitely, it’s gotta be a part of the proverbial bucket list, but in Montana, are there places like, you know, you, you want to see outside, you want to experience the great outdoors.

You don’t have to go to glacier or Yellowstone. You should go. Where’s that blank. Where should I go?

Amy Grisak: Well, I, I do love the Bob Marshall. I mean, I absolutely, like I said, pretty much outside our back door and you just, you can’t beat it. It’s spectacular. The bear tooth wilderness. That’s another area that’s tremendously gorgeous that I really, really want to explore more.

I haven’t spent enough time. And honestly, if you want extremely rugged country go to the Missouri breaks, the upper Missouri breaks and the Charlie Russell national Monu. It is out east more and it is just absolutely remote rugged country. Oh, wow.

Howard Fox: You go out and with your boys. I imagine they’re up for just about anything you yell in a nice way.

Hey guys, we’re you want to go wherever here is there probably. Okay, when are we going? Or, you know, can we cut school perhaps? Uh what’s what’s it like, you know, taking the boys out, how do they feel like, you know, we’re going to go help mom do her work.

Amy Grisak: We’re actually great troopers overall. My youngest, uh, a few years ago, he wasn’t so keen on the whole concept.

And so it wasn’t quite as pleasant, you know, it was a lot of fighting and yelling and things like that. He wouldn’t be happy. And so he would attack his brother. Right. So, but lately he’s just really been into hiking and wanting to go. And so, yeah, they’ve been a lot more, well in my eldest Samuel, he will go pretty much anywhere without complaint.

If Sam ever complains about every, anything, there’s something seriously wrong. And he really is going, especially with the adults, because a lot of the hikes that we do. The kids aren’t on them quite as much. So it’s usually a group of adults and Sam seem, really seems to like that. Hang out with the big people

Howard Fox: they’ll so out.

Are you driving, you know, a big four Wheeler pickup truck to a trail heads and then going in, are you boondocking? You know, Up, you know, getting past the trail head with, with, with the vehicle, how are you beginning these hikes and how are you outfitted in terms of accomplishing the height, but also getting your work done

Amy Grisak:typically?

Well, depending on what road it is, because a lot of the roads out here can be not, not the greatest, like last year we, I took a group a lot of times I’ll organize groups for women too, and just throwing because a lot of times women want to get. But they don’t feel comfortable either going on their own or even sometimes with mixed groups.

Just, you know, whatever, they feel more comfortable with other ladies. And so like last year I organized one and it was a gal who was out from New York who was working on a project engineer. And I told her, I said, those road is rough. And so I had the, the four wheel drive truck and we just ground through that and we got to the Trailhead.

I said, I bet you think we’re all insane. And she’s like, where I come from, we call these trailers. Not road. So yeah, some of the roads, you know, it, they can be rough, so I’ll either drive them. Or we have a Toyota Highlander, which is an absolutely phenomenal little vehicle too, that I love. I almost prefer the Highlander at times, just because it’s easier to maneuver and I can see over the dashboard, I’m only five feet tall, so I can’t see the dashboard.

So if you see me coming, just get out of the way it’s typically day trips that will drive a couple of hours in either direction. Park at the trail head and hike anywhere from eight to eight to 13 miles and then home.

Howard Fox: So now I’m going to, this is Howard Fox’s opportunistic question again. What type of shape do you have to be in to go on some of these hikes with you?

Amy Grisak: It depends. I do a lot of the hikes, which are geared towards families and kids. And so those are usually like five miles and less than a thousand feet elevation. And that’s the thing when I get, when people go with me with, you know, friends or whether it’s kids or anything, I always want everybody to have a good time, so it can be challenging at one point.

But my point is not to kill anybody who is coming with us. And so I always want to match. That athletic level or that physical level with what we’re going to do. And if something’s too hard, I’ll tell somebody it’s, you know, that I don’t think this is the one for you now, if it’s just us and, you know, with friends of mine, I have so many friends who are just phenomenal hikers and, you know, You, you know, you’ll, it’s like 13, 14 miles, 3000 plus elevation gain sometimes 4,000 plus elevation gain.

So, you know, they’re, they’re pretty good there. You have to be in pretty good shape, even though we go slow. I am, I am not a fast hiker because I’m taking photos all the time.

Howard Fox: Sure. Sure. I will be taking photos all the time too. And I think I need to get in better shape before I say, okay, man, I’m going to be out here.

What’s the best time. So

Amy Grisak: we have plenty of hikes to do. Okay,

Howard Fox: cool. Yep. Very cool. I don’t think we can speak about Montana without talking about, and you’ve mentioned the word earlier. The apex predators, the, the, the bears, the wolves, the. Coyotes, I guess I would still call them apex predators. What’s your experience been with those lovely animals?

Amy Grisak: When I was working. On the programs for national geographic television, pretty much specialized in Grizzlies and mountain lions. And it was a lot of fun. I mean, it really taught me a lot. It taught me not to fear either one of them, but to respect them both greatly. And it really opens your eyes to how they behave and how you’re expected to behave.

Howard Fox: You know, it’s, it’s funny. There was a video on Facebook and Instagram was one of those too. And, you know, the. You know, walking down just by himself, herself down the road, and there’s all these people off the road looking, and I’m thinking, man, that is, I would not be outside of my car when there’s a bear.

You know, one bear let alone, I guess, at this particular story about 70 bears over the course of this vacation holiday. But you know, so you’re, you’re learning not to fear the animals. I mean, certainly there’s that respect. Any interesting experience, surprise, surprising experience when it came to either the bears or the mountain lion that like, wow, that was an experience.

Amy Grisak: Oh, oh yeah. The, you know, probably the biggest one with the Grizzlies was. When the camera man, and I were up in British Columbia on a kokanee salmon stream. So the kokanee salmon are a landlocked salmon and they’re smaller term, bright red when they spawn. And so we knew the bears were there and we had built blinds up on the streams and we’re hiking into one of the blinds for the evening.

Cause it was this female and two Cubs that had been around quite a bit. And wanting to get in the evening and hopefully catch her in the water below and that type of thing. So the plan was to hike in, in the early afternoon. So we wouldn’t bump into her going in at close, you know, towards the end, towards the dusk.

And it was maybe a quarter mile from the truck. It wasn’t very far. And you see two little heads pop up underneath this spruce tree and they took off and she came at both of us and she just came so stinking fast. And I was just grateful that it was absolute instinct to pull out the bear spray and flip off the cap.

And another fraction in the second, you know, would have hit that button, but she was being a good mother and put on the brakes and turned around and went after her Cubs. So after she, after you could breathe, cause everything stops pasted off and she had stopped about 13 paces away. So, yeah, so abandon that plan for the evening, but so that was very memorable and it just really drove home how absolutely fast they are and how quickly something changed.

Be ready. You have to know what you’re going to do or think, you know, what you’re going to do. And I was grateful that, well, I can’t say that I thought about it, but I’m grateful that just instinct took over. And I just did what I needed to do.

Howard Fox: Sure. Those years of experience of just being outdoors. I mean, it definitely, uh, you know, it comes in handy now, early on, I had mentioned that I’d had these, the stream of being out in Montana, sleeping out underneath the stars.

So. I, I, I would be remiss if I didn’t ask Amy, tell me about the, the stars and the Milky way. Just viewing the constellations. What’s it like?

Amy Grisak: Oh, it’s gorgeous. I mean, we don’t realize how blessed we are here in Montana until you travel a little bit. I have to say, even being close to great falls or some of these bigger cities, and then being away from them, you realize how dark the skies can be.

And, you know, I’ve been back in the Bob Marshall wilderness multiple times and in cowboy, camping like that, you know, where you you’re past the bug season, so you don’t even need a tent. So you just throw the canvas Manti over your sleeping bag and everything. So it’s just absolutely stunning to be able to.

Sit there and you think you can count them all, but it’s just absolutely immense. And you know, of course it’s certain times of the month just absolutely so dark it’s, it’s amazing. People don’t know dark until they come to some places here in Montana. All right. So

Howard Fox: that is definitely on my list. So we’re going to have to have a conversation about this.

You have been involved with obviously numerous articles. I mean, we could go on and on with your writing, but you have two books that you have been involved with. Can you share a little bit about

Amy Grisak: those? Yes. The nature guide to glacier and Waterton lakes, national parts was published by Falcon. This spring was made June that it came.

It was supposed to be out last year, but of course COVID held up everything and that that’s my baby so far, that was an absolute joy to write. I didn’t take all the photos. We did have to use some stock because like I told my editor, I said, I’ve spent 30 years in the park. I still don’t have a full frame Wolverine, but it was still, it was so much fun and I absolutely loved it.

And tickled to death with the response that I’m receiving from people. And then my second book that I worked with, a friend of mine, Michael Francis, who’s a phenomenal photographer and he’s published dozens of books. It’s called Yellowstone found photos, and it is. Based on photos that Mike has collected for 50 years when he first visited the park and just out of high school, I think it was, he started collecting foe or postcards and then photo albums from visitors and from employees and he compiled thousands.

And I think we ended up using about 400. For this book of historical photos from 1890s to 1940.

Howard Fox: Oh wow. That’s

Amy Grisak:fantastic. And I worked with closely with Lee Whittlesey, who was the retired park historian. He was the park historian for 40 years, I believe. And he’s a walking encyclopedia. And so I would research captions and send them to Lee and he would make corrections.

And it was interesting because sometimes the information that I was finding. You know what seemed credible sites like national park service sites, he would go, no, no, no. And, you know, show me where this is actually inaccurate. So we were, did our absolute best to make sure all the information was accurate.

Howard Fox: Fantastic now for our listeners, Amy and I literally crossed paths. I think it was last Friday where we’re both members of the outdoor writers association of America and she had on Fridays, we post some of our successes. And I think Amy, that you posted about one of these, one of these books in commenting to the Friday post, how long have you been involved with the outdoor writers association of America?

Cause great organization.

Amy Grisak: It is, I was a member in the nineties originally. When I was working in television and then stepped away for probably close to a decade. And then I think I’ve been a member for seven, eight years. Again, it’s just as my writing shifted from the gardening to more of the outdoor. So I basically say I went feral.

So when I went feral again, I decided I need to be more involved with the outdoor writers association because you know, they’ve just been a tremendous group and keep getting strong.

Howard Fox: Most definitely. And it’s been a pleasure to get to know the folks that I joined it earlier in the year. And it’s just a great source of some phenomenal guests on the podcast.

So I have a question, Amy, as you look back in your career, is there anything that you would say to your younger self based on what, you know now or advice that you would give her or, you know, or perhaps, you know, do exactly what you did and. So that would be part a question one, a, so one B might be which the next 10, 15, 20 years look like for you.

So either or above, let’s

Amy Grisak: see. I would say for the part one a I don’t think I would change anything, even though I would, I would go down one path and then you have to shift direction. You always learn something from that. And so, no, I wouldn’t have changed anything there. And we’re the next 10, 15 years. I am really enjoying writing books.

I love, I still absolutely love writing for magazines because it satisfies that instant need to get this information out. I just, I think I’m just geared towards wanting to teach people. And so if I get an idea, I really want to be able to share it immediately. So the magazines and the different in online publications helped me do that.

But I am really getting a kick out of writing these books and, and really, really want to have a lot more in the near future.

Howard Fox:Fantastic. Fantastic. So Amy, if our listeners would like to learn more about you and your work, and by the way, knowing that I was going to have you on a podcast today, I have a friend Linda who is a photographer.

She’s actually a writer of sorts. She, I guess there’s a website called medium. So she posts articles there. And I said, you need to check Amy out. Cause I sent her a link to your YouTube and to the tier website. So I don’t know, you may have a stalker coming up by the way. Uh,

Amy Grisak: she wants to hike. She

Howard Fox: can come visit.

There you go. There you go. So if our listeners would like to learn more about you and your work, where’s the best places for them.

Amy Grisak: Easiest place to see kind of what I’ve been up to lately is on my website, which is Amy grease I’m also on Facebook and Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter. I don’t, I don’t tweet as much, but I’ve definitely like Facebook and Instagram, the best.

Howard Fox:Fantastic. I mean, I love both of those and uh, as well, and we’ll definitely share the YouTube story, which I thought was fantastic. I mean, it was great to get to know you that way as well. So Amy, once again, it was an absolute pleasure to have you on the outdoor adventure series on success, insight podcast.

And so glad you were open just based on that initial, Hey Amy, would you like to be on the podcast was so glad you said yes. And you know, just really great getting to know you and your work, and I’m telling you I’m an opportunistic guy. All my friends. No that about me and I will get up to Montana and I definitely, perhaps even too, when there’s a new moon and see that darkness.

Amy Grisak: Oh, absolutely. I have friends who have great telescopes, so definitely come on up and we’ll show you the dark sky and go for a hike and anything. Yeah.

Howard Fox:Fantastic. Thank you again. And, uh, hopefully we’ll see you at the, uh, if you’re able to at the annual conference in Vermont, are you going to be there?

Amy Grisak: I’m trying I’m I have a project that’s going well, it should be going full steam.

The fires are messing me up. So it’s going to see, I has to see how that pans out. All right.

Howard Fox: All right. I will tell you, it’s getting from Las Vegas to Burlington, Vermont, and then to this resort, it was not easy. So I can only imagine what it’s like getting there from Montana and it’s going to be gorgeous.

Yeah. So looking forward to it, I’m going to have my camera with me and, uh, we’ll see, uh, my I’m going to come back with some nice shots. Well again, thank you so much. And look forward to continuing to get to know you and learn more about you. And yeah,

Amy Grisak: I appreciate it so much. Thank

Howard Fox: you. Fantastic. All right, folks, we have just been chatting with Amy

She’s a freelance writer photographer. Her work is just phenomenal. Just the combination of the writing, the, the adventures with the hiking and really the whole idea of being in Montana. This wonderful place in the U S. Great outdoors and just really appreciate everything we have to offer here in the U S do check out her books, nature, guy to glacier and water to lakes, national parks that was released this past spring.

And her newest book, which is going to be released shortly photos of Yellowstone Yellowstone’s history and tourists and employee photos. And that’s going to be available in paperback. Again, this fall, you can learn more about Amy and her work by visiting her website at Amy GRI, and we’ll provide the back links there as well as on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, and do check out her story that appeared on YouTube.

We’ll provide that link as well as all the other. As well, folks, this has been, I don’t know how you feel. I think it’s been another fantastic episode of the outdoor adventure series on the success inside podcast. Do check us out on success. Insight We are on LinkedIn and Facebook on our success inside podcast pages.

As far as the podcasting platforms go, Amazon music, apple podcast, Google podcast. The podcast players, Pandora, iHeartRadio, Spotify, especially Spotify, because we have our outdoor adventure series playlist. So many ways that you can consume this episode. And we’ll at least on our website success inside

We’ll have some pictures of, some of Amy’s work for you to look at and hopefully that’ll peak your interest. Okay. Folks, wherever you are, whenever you’re doing. Go out there have a phenomenal day and we’ll see you on the next episode of the success insight podcast. Take care now.

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